With all the different types of effects and devices available for musicians, there can be confusion with how to set up your signal chain with your effects. We offer a variety of pedals that can be placed in many different ways in your audio signal chain.
There is no wrong way to connect your effects in your signal chain as each method can provide you with different sonic results. Though what works for one person or rig may not work for another.
Here are some common effect placement suggestions for pedalboard setups in general.
- Dynamics (compressors), filters (wah), pitch shifters, and Volume pedals typically go at the beginning of the signal chain.
- Gain based effects such as and overdrive/distortion pedals come next.
- Modulation effects such as chorus, flangers, phasers typically come next in the chain.
- Time based effects such as delays and reverbs work best at the end of the signal chain.
- Volume pedals can go at the beginning or end of your signal chain to provide slightly different functionality in different locations in your chain.
Here are some example effect setups that many musicians use following the above suggestions.
Guitar => compressor => volume pedal => wah pedal => overdrive => chorus => tremolo => delay => reverb => amplifier
- In this particular setup, the volume pedal is placed near the beginning of the signal chain to control the volume level going to the other effects and the amplifier. This can be useful to clean up your signal by rocking back the volume a bit if you have the overdrive engaged.
Guitar => compressor => wah pedal => overdrive => chorus => tremolo => volume pedal => delay => reverb => amplifier
- This setup is the same as the first one above, however, the volume pedal has been placed near the end of the chain right before the delay and reverb effects. This allows you to have full control of the volume of your signal right before the delay and reverb effects. This is useful for fading in a fully overdriven signal without cleaning up the signal at the lower range of the sweep.
Another way to set up your pedals is by placing them within the effects loop of your amplifier. An effects loop is an audio input and output loop that is placed after the preamp and before the power amp section of your amplifier, using the Effects Send and Effects Return jacks. On some amplifiers, these can be labels Preamp Out (Effects Send) and Power Amp In (Effects Return). Not all amplifiers have effects loops, but those that do allow for you to place some of your effects within the loop.
Typically, players tend to place their delay and reverb effects within the effects loops of their amplifiers. This placement is especially helpful if you get your overdrive and distortion from your amplifier instead of pedals. Otherwise you would be feeding your delay repeats and reverb ambiance into the overdrive and distortion of your amplifier, which can sound muddy and washed out. You can also place your modulation pedals within the effects loop of your amplifier as well for a different sound.
There are 2 types of effects loops: series and parallel.
With series effects loops, the entire signal from the amplifier’s preamp section is sent through Effects Send OUTPUT to pass through the effects and return through the power amp section from the Effects Return INPUT.
With parallel effects loops, half the the signal from the amplifier’s preset section is sent through the Effects Sent OUTPUT to pass through effects, while the other half passes directly on to the amplifier’s power amp section to always be heard unaffected. With this type of effects loop, there is typically an effect level control that allows you to dial in the amount of the effect you want heard along with your unaffected signal. We recommend setting the MIX control on any of your effects to 100% when placed within a parallel effects loop. Our TimeLine and BigSky pedals have a Kill Dry feature (DRYSIG parameter in the GLOBLS menu) that mutes your dry signal for use in parallel effects loops—however we do not recommend using this setting when using more than one pedal within the effects loop.
Here are some setups that include placing some of your effects within the effects loop of your amplifier:
Effect Loop Setup 1
Guitar => compressor => volume pedal => wah pedal => overdrive => chorus => tremolo => amplifier INPUT; amplifier effects send => delay => reverb => amplifier effects return
- With this setup, only the delay and reverb effects are placed within the effects loop of the amplifier. This setup allows the sound from your amplifier’s preamp section to feed into these effects. Overdriven and distorted sounds generated by your amplifiers preamp section sound much clearer with delays and reverbs placed within the loop.
Effect Loop Setup 2
Guitar => compressor => wah pedal => overdrive => amplifier input; amplifier effects send => chorus => tremolo => volume pedal => delay => reverb => amplifier effects return
- With this setup, we have moved the volume pedal and modulation effects to the effects loop along with the delay and reverb effects. Much like setup 1, you get a different sound from your modulation effects when placed after the amplifier’s preamp section.
Some of our pedals have qualities or features that allow them to work in multiple locations or a specific location in the signal chain.
Deco Tape Saturation & Doubletracker is a unique effects pedal that allows for a wide variety of tonal possibilities. You can place Deco near the beginning of your signal chain and use the Tape Saturation as a light overdrive. Or, you can place Deco at the end of your chain, use lower Tape Saturation settings, and provide your entire signal with the tape-like warmth, compression, and added low end harmonics.
Mobius Modulation has a unique Pre/Post connection feature that allows you to place the effects in one of two locations in your signal chain. Within the Params menu of each preset, you can select whether you would like it to be placed within the Pre or Post positions in the chain. (See Mobius manual pages 22-23 for details.)
Lex Rotary can work well after your gain based effect with your other modulation pedals, or at the very end of your signal chain as well to make it sound like your entire signal is passing through a rotating speaker cabinet.
BigSky Reverberator has a built-in cab filter activated by a toggle switch on the back of the pedal. This gives you the sound of playing through a custom 1×12 speaker cabinet with the reverb effects engaged or bypassed. This feature works well for direct recording or connecting directly to the mixer of a PA system.
Most important rule: There are no rules!
It’s important to remember that these setups are not set rules that must be followed. You can get a variety of unique sounds by placing your effects in unorthodox locations. It’s common to run into that special sound that came about as a ‘happy accident’ when setting up your effects. Using these suggestions, you can build up your own pedalboard to suit your individual taste.
very good!!!!! the diagrams of how to connect the pedals at amps with and without fx loop. I loved them.
Hi! Any relation to Alan Alves, formerly of the Twin Falls Idaho area and once member of the infamous, legendary Bush Pilots Band?
No, I don’t have any connection to Alan Alves.
Great info! I have Big Sky. Would love to see ‘spaghetti western spring settings. (I think it would be spring ……Maybe plate?????
@mark pidgen – Thanks for supporting Strymon! 🙂 I would try Spring reverb settings with high MIX and medium-high DECAY settings and no PRE-DELAY or MOD.
Hello, i have a colleague – Tom – who owns a musical instrument shop in Grantham, England – Simonds Music. I told him about the Strymon pedals and he said he would contact you to set up a dealership. He says he has emailed you twice and called and left messages but received no answer.
I have already waited six weeks because I would prefer to support local business. Otherwise I will have to buy the Big Sky, Ola and TimeLine elsewhere.
Could you kindly get in touch with Tom Simmonds.
Thenks. No commission expected.
Hi Graham, Thank you for the comment. We have forwarded your comment to our UK Distributor, Musicpsych. They are always reachable at http://www.musicpsych.com/ 🙂
What we REALLY learned from this…That Strymon is developing an overdrive, and that it will be red.
Are there suggestions on where to place an EQ pedals with the 4 setups in the article?
@Danny – As an EQ is used to filter and tweak the tone of the signal passing through it, this can be placed anywhere in the chain. For example, if you want to tweak the overall sound before the amplifier, place the EQ at the end of the signal chain. If you want to adjust the tone of your guitar before it hits your effects pedals, place the EQ at the front of your signal chain. It just depends on what you are planning on doing with the EQ and where in the signal chain it sounds best to you.
Noise gate? After dirt pedal before delay and reverb? As to not cut any tailing echoes.
Yep, that’s what I’d recommend 🙂
You should try the compressor after the overdrive stage. Providing an already compressed signal to a drive/distortion pedal doesn’t allow the full dynamic range of the pedal to be applied to the raw guitar signal, losing something of the capability or unique nature of these pedals. You can also lose the touch sensitivity of the drive pedal when the input signal has its louds softened and it’s quites upped. Placing the compressor after drive pedals allows the full driven tone to then be leveled dynamically with the compressor. Note that may drive and distortion pedals will include their own natural compression so addition of compressor after the drive pedals allows for fine tuning of the overall compression. It’s worth experimenting with.
In the Effect Loop Setup 2, where would put the tuner pedal? And a EQ pedal?
@Ricardo – I recommend placing tuners as close to your original signal as possible at the beginning of your signal chain. An EQ pedal can be placed where you would like to filter your signal to the settings of the EQ which is technically at any point in your signal chain. Try the EQ in different locations and use the setting that works best for your.
While your chain setup may typically be the way to go, there are a number of modulation effects that sound different and to some ears better when placed before the dirt.
@Marcus – Yes you are correct and I encourage you and all other player to experiment with pedal placement of their signal chain for different and unique results.
How to Bbe sonic Maximizer??
eq – bbe , bbe-eq, return – ended, ended??
@koreangameboy – I would treat the sonic maximizer like a EQ and place it anywhere that you feel would enhance the sound coming into it, likely at the end of your signal chain after your EQ and before the effects return of your amplifier.
What about in the case you have a buffer pedal? Where do you place the volume pedal? at the start of the chain before the drives?
@Timothy Chew – This really depends on the specs of your effect and volume pedals. A buffer should be placed 1) before long cable runs, 2) in front of low input impedance pedals, or 3) in front of many true bypass effects. If your volume pedal has a high input impedance, I would recommend placing it near the front of your signal chain. If the Volume pedal has a low input impedance, I would recommend placing it after the buffer. Again, this really depends on how you plan on using the volume pedal and whether the one you have has the right spec for that usage.
Hello. This is a great article. Does strymon have a user fourm group anywhere. I own the g system, i love it for its effects, but it cant do everything i want. I found strymon, and instantly bought a timeline. I have also ordered big sky and mobius. Is there a way to connect the strymon up to the gsystem, and haveva patch on the g pull up a bank on the strymon, and also be able to choose one or multiple strymons.
@Tom – Our pedals respond to MIDI Program Change messages to recall presets. For example, MIDI Program Change #0 will recall the first preset (00A) on our pedals. As long as your G system send MIDI Program Change messages, you can use it to change presets on our pedals. Please check out our blogs on controlling our pedals via MIDI.
Hi!! Great article!! My question is: Where should I place an octave pedal… before or after the drive pedals???
Thanks a lot!
@Francisco – Thanks for checking out our blog! 🙂 For pitch effects, I recommend placing them before your overdrive pedals so that it can track your clean input signal better.
Thanks Hugo! Appreciate it!
Is there any difference using high or low impedance Volume pedals ? I have one H VP, should I then try to put it after OD and before my Timeline and reverb Boss RV-6 ?
Or better Timeline and reverb in amp loop and VP beginning of chain ?
@Umberto – I recommend sticking with a high impedance volume pedal to better accommodate your guitar signal and keep it near the beginning of your signal chain.
thanks a lot !!!
I HAVE A BIG SKY PEDAL AND PEDAL VOX ST TONELAB
MI SWITCHING MODE IS IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER
TONELAB ST GUITAR VOX – PEDAL BIG SKY – EMPLIFICADOR.
Is well connected, I NEED YOUR ORIENTATION AS THE TIMELINE multidirectional PROSIMAMENTE buy DELAY AND NEED HELP ON HOW TO CONNECT YOU.
@David Sanchez N. – Thanks for supporting Strymon! 🙂 I would recommend placing the TimeLine and BigSky after your ToneLab in the following order:
Tonelab OUTPUT => TimeLine LEFT INPUT; TimeLine LEFT OUTPUT => BigSky LEFT INPUT; BigSky LEFT OUTPUT => amplifier front input
Now I am a proud owner of a strymon lex as well. . Best place on pedalboard? I run Timeline and reverb both in amp fx loop… should I run the Lex at very end of chain front amp, or in fx loop as well ?
End of chain after dirt sounds no good… in front is just fantastic. .. why? Anyway. … the Lex is amazing; -)
@Umberto – Thanks for supporting Strymon! 🙂 The best place for the Lex is where it sounds best to you. If you like how it sounds in front of your drive pedals, I recommend using it in that location. I also want to note that turning up the PREAMP DRIVE on the Lex can lead to lower effect output volume and recommend using the pedals on-board boost (up to +6dB of boost) to counter this loss of volume.
After drive sounds just weird, don´t know why… but before drive is really amazing (also don´t know why, but who cares 😉 !!! maybe the Lex does not like being after one of the other pedals…
Thx for the boost tip !!!
Waiting for a Strymon OD 😉
I have a Deco and was wondering if it can be used with a delay pedal in a 2 amp stereo setup. I generally will set the Deco for wide stereo to get a bigger sound. Would like to add in delay but not sure if the Deco should be before or after and should delay should be from 1 amp or 2?
I recently rearranged my pedals after reading in forums about ideal placement. I used to have tuner>sonic stomp>looper>keeley flanger/delay/fuzz>blues driver>wah. The sound was fine.
The first image below is of my old setup.
My current setup is tuner>wah>blues driver>keeley falng/delay/fuzz box>sonic max>looper. The second photo is current setup which sounds way better than original. Problem is now my flanger/phase side of my keeley won’t get loud like it used to and my loop wont let me hear what I’m playing when I lay down a riff, also when I play the loop back I can no longer play over the track.
Input would be much appreciated and thank you.
@Josh – Changing the order of the effects in your signal chain can drastically change the sound you get from each pedal depending on where it was before and where it is now. Can you please send us an email to [email protected] with further details including a video recording of what you are experiencing so we have a better idea of what is happening?
I have the Flint. I’m going to use it for the both of its functions. My delay is following, then my volume. On every example the delay is pretty placed between the tremolo and the reverb. That raises a few concerns for me. I just bought the Flint yesterday. Should I take it back, and buy a Tremolo and reverb separately?
@Ibe Mitchell – Thanks for supporting Strymon! 🙂 The setups above are just suggestions and using a delay before or after the Flint will still sound great! Give it a try to see how it works for you.
What about the tuner? After/before the compression? After or before the volume pedal?
I see this was answered above. Sorry about that. How about an a/b/y box? I guess it depends on what effects you want to send to which amp, correct? I’m thinking after the volume pedal, I will run the a/b/y and split to two different amps.
@Patrick Win – Yes, it really depends on where you plan on placing the effects before or after the A/B/Y split.
Help Please, for some reason when connecting mobius and timeline to the effects loop the mobius works as expected but the timeline does not work at all. All of the presets act the same way with no delay at all. Everything is connected the right way!
@Dax – Sorry to hear that you are having trouble with the pedals in your setup. If the pedals work on their own in front of the amplifier isolated one at a time, this is likely related to a setting or connection with the pedals. Please shoot us an email to [email protected] with full details on the amp make and model, the inputs and outputs used on both the amp and each of the pedals, and the setting of the switch on the back of the pedals. Also, include whether this happens on every preset or only certain presets with each pedal.
I see you suggest compression before wah. Everything else I’ve seen suggests wah, then compression. But, Strymon’s opinion is significant. Is there a specific reason you recommended this?
@Jon – This placement was purely subjective as I like to place my OB.1 compressor as the first pedal in my own chain. There is nothing wrong with placing your effect in different locations if they work better for you that way.
Hi! Thanks for a great article!
My question is about adding a noise suppressor. I have the Boss NS-2 to tame a Peavey 5150. (I am also using a wha wha, chorus, digital delay, Maxon od-808, tuner and EQ.
On the NS-2 pedal there is input, output, send and return. What is your advice on where in the chain it should be and how to connect it? As I guess you already know the 5150 do have an effect loop.
Greatfull for any advice, thanks!
@Peppe – According to the NS-2 manual, you should place all effects except delay and reverb between the SEND and RETURN of the NS-2. So, you can try:
Guitar => NS-2 INPUT; NS-2 SEND => Tuner => WAH => Chorus => OD-808 => EQ => AMP INPUT = Amp EFFECT SEND => Digital Delay => NS-2 RETURN; NS-2 OUTPUT => Amp EFFECT RETURN
Many thanks Hugo! I will definitely try that. Thanks again!
Where would you recommend “amp-in-a-box” pedals? I have had my Catalinbread DLS III in the loop of my möbius along with od/boost/fuzz. I run it into a clean HRD. Oh and happy new year keep up the great work and congrats on the great reviews on the Riverside!
@Carlos – I recommend placing pedals like this in between the effects you would like to use with them. Place OD/Boost/Fuzz pedals before the amp-in-a-box and delays and reverbs after. Just treat it like your amplifier in the effect chain.
I am running the TimeLine, Mobius, Big Sky and Flint along with a few JHS drive pedals and a POG. I have a 5 channel true bypass looper and use a DMC-3XL and TNT tap to control my MIDI devices. In the past I have had all of my drives and POG in the 5 channel looper. But I have reduced significantly the number of drives I am running. I run a SP compressor and an EM-Drive at the beginning of my chain that are my always on pedals & I’m not sure I need them in my loop. I also cut down to 2 drive pedals (JHS Double Barrel & Jetter Gold Standard). Would I be able to run the TimeLine, Big Sky, and Mobius through the bypass looper and leave them always on but bypass through that? Should/Do I need to use a TRS to do this run since I am going straight into the in/out signals? I’m trying to do some experimenting but wanted to get your opinion as well.
@Joe Mullikin – Yes, you can place each of the Strymon pedals within their own loop while engaged in your switcher using the LEFT INPUT and LEFT OUTPUT jacks of these pedals and just use the loop switcher controls to bring the effects in and out of the signal path. Make sure to use standard mono TS instrument cables as the jacks are unbalanced and do not benefit from TRS connections.
Hi, I just bought BigSky, Mobius and Timeline. I have a Nord Stage 2 (Stereo outputs) and a Moog Sub 37 (mono output). I want to run the 3 pedals thru this 2 Synths in a live situation. Can you help me please with the connections. I also have a standard mixer.
If your mixer has an effects loop, it would be best to run your synthesizers right into your mixer and use the send/return for your pedals. Or, if there is no effects loop, you can take stereo out of the mixer and run through your pedals before going to your amp/PA. Then, you can easily pick which instrument you wish to send through the pedals.
Where would my micro pog be best place in the above diagrams?
@Heath – i would place pitch effects at the beginning of your signal chain, before or after a compress if used at the front as well. This will provide your pitch effects with a clean dry signal to process its pitch effects from.
Can you give a brief explanation on which jacks to use when connecting the Big Sky to the Timeline or vice Versa. A bit confused with the feedback loop on the timeline. Also is there an on and off switch for the pedals or do I have to turn the mic down manually for each one. I know these are simple questions but I’d appreciate . Thanks ! Thanks !
@Tim – If you are using BigSky and TimeLine in you signal chain in mono WITHOUT using the feedback loop feature, I would recommend placing TimeLine before BigSky and using just the LEFT INPUT and OUTPUT jacks of the pedals:
signal => TimeLine LEFT INPUT; TimeLine LEFT OUTPUT => BigSky LEFT INPUT; BigSky LEFT OUTPUT => amp or other effects
If you DO want to use TimeLine’s feedback loop, which allows you to send TL’s delay repeats ONLY through additional effects, the connections are different. So if you would like to apply BigSky’s reverb effects ONLY to TimeLine’s delay repeats, flip the rear switch to FEEDBACK LOOP and make the following connections:
signal => TimeLine LEFT INPUT; TimeLine RIGHT OUTPUT => BigSky LEFT INPUT; BigSky LEFT OUTPUT => TimeLine RIGHT INPUT; TimeLine LEFT OUTPUT => amp or other effects
Correction I meant mix* thanks
I have a pretty basic setup ; tuner, volume pedal, overdrive and blue sky in that order. When I power up my blue sky bypass switch comes on and I can’t use the Strymon box. When I remove it from the chain described above it works just fine. Any ideas why the bypass is on ?
@Carl – Sorry to hear that you are having trouble. I am not clear on why this would be happening from the info you have provided. Can you please shoot us an email with details on the input and output connections and how each pedal is being powered when you experience this problem? Also, please also include a video that clearly shows this behavior, your connections, and how each pedal is being powered so that we have a better understanding of what you are experiencing. [email protected]
Can You Run A Morpheus Droptune Pedal & A Pitch Shift Pedal In The Effect Send-return ….?
@joe rock – Technically, yes, you can place pedals anywhere you want in the chain, but pitch based effects like this work best with your unaffected dry signal at the beginning of the chain.
call me stupid, but does the boss ns-2 go before or after the tuner in the chain?
@Johnny – This is up to preference, but I would place the NS-2 after the tuner in your signal chain.
Great article and I do my best compliments for the explanation !! I used especially the Send/Return of effect Loop article for better understand 😀
I have a very basic setup of effetc (Morley Volume, a old cry baby wha wha Dunlop, MojoMojo overdrive, CH1 Super Chorus, Analog Delay custom shop from Akay) and two multi effect: a very old PUE5 Ibanez and a Digitech RP100A. I use PUE5 mainly for its compressor and overdrive, while the RP100A for more compressor/delay effect, EQ and Phaser setup.
How would you recommend using these two multi effects? Where are the chains most appropriate? The effect Loop can it be an important resource?
Thanks in advance and I still compliment the article above!!!
@Michele – Thanks for checking out our blog! 🙂 If you are going to be using both multi-effect units in your setup, you will need to decide which of these has a better compressor that you will be using. If you like the PEU5’s Compressor and Overdrive, I would place it near the beginning of the chain in front of your existing MojoMojo overdrive. This way, you can use the RP100A’s Delay and EQ within the effects loop of your amp. But keep in mind, there is no wrong way to set this up. I encourage you to place them in different locations of your signal chain to find what sounds best for you.
Thanks @Hugo for your reply and advice!!
Yes, I often change the order of my effects to find my own setup. I will try your suggestions and hope that the sound goes beyond the boundaries of the universe !!!! Hahahahh
Thanks again 🙂
I am trying to find out the best placement for my volume pedal in an effects loop acting as a power attenuator, so is it from the send to volume first, or is the volume last into the return?
Thanks so much, Steve
@steve – If you are only using this as a power/volume attenuator in your effects loop, you should place it last in the chain before the EFFECTS RETURN of your amplifier.
Hugo, Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question.
I have a Flint and El Capistan and I’m in serious love with this combo. Late to game, I must admit, but was wondering if the Flint should be placed after the delay. Right now I have it before. Curious to hear some thoughts on this.
hi! i need help! 🙂 where to put the filters in the chain, the equalizer, the volume gate: thanx!!!
@Christos – As mentioned in the article above, wherever they sound good to you is the best place to put them! However, traditionally people tend to put filter pedals near the beginning of the chain (like wah pedals), and volume pedals as well. An EQ can go first if you just want to EQ your guitar signal before running into your effects, or last if you want the EQ applied to your entire signal chain, or somewhere in between. It really depends on what you personally are going for.
Can i ask why comprssor pedal is before volume pedal?
(when Setup 1)
I always leave “on” compressor for little punchy
So.. I confused with volume pedal is first or comp is first
Thank you have a good day
@joonamhyun – This signal chain setup allows your signal to be compressed before controlling the volume level with the volume pedal.
Thanks! Very informative!
How do you achieve tremolo => delay => reverb => with the Flint?
@Douglas – As there is no delay in the Flint or a way to separate the tremolo and reverb effects of the Flint, this is not possible with the Flint alone. You would need a separate effect to get this signal chain with the Flint providing either the tremolo or reverb in that setup.
Just the explanation I was looking for. Thanks!
I own a flint and dig. I am struggling to figure where they should fit on the signal chain.
struggling with which sounds more clean and natural with acoustic guitar. recommendations? flint first or dig?
@Jose delacerda – You can just start by going DIG => Flint and see how this works for you. There is really no right or wrong way as you should just use whichever order works best for you.
I have a problem. I’d like to record silently a track with a guitar, some effects and amp plugins, and real delay and/or reverb pedal. But since delay and reverb go at the end of the chain or in the effects loop I don’t know how to configure my chain. The simplest of them would be:
guitar—>delay /reverb —> audio device (—> vst effects od/distortion/chorus/tremolo -—> vst amp —>) line out headphones.
But I think this way I think will not work well. I’d like to know if there is a way to put the real delay/reverb pedal(s) at the end of the chain or in an effect loop on the interface.
@Paolo Pino – For what you are trying to achieve, you would need to probably use an audio interface with multiple ins and outs to plug your guitar into the interface into a track that has the plug-ins you would like to use, then, assign the outputs of that track to outputs on your interface (if main outs are 1-2, assign this track to outputs 3-4) to send the signal to your pedals. Then, send the outputs from the pedals to the other inputs of your interface (if guitar is going in input 1, use input 2). From here, you can monitor from the headphones out of your audio interface.
I am finding some distortions sound better in the fx loop. This makes it a confusing mess if you split up your distortions and overdrive where they used to be together inside a noise gate/suppression loop.
Putting the the dirt pedal between the guitar and the Wah pedal is another popular setup. I like to put a phaser or vibe pedal between my guitar and my dirt pedal as well.
Hi,Many thanks for the article on pedal placement. However I must share this as I have struggled for more than 30 years with compressor and overdrive placement, We are unfortunately “made to comply” with ordering Compressor to Overdrive, although experimentation have been the caveat. Daniel from the Pedal Show have demonstrated the compressor after the overdrive seems to yield a huge, dynamic and detailed sound. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUfyQPeuUtI
@Teleman – It is always recommended to just wire up your signal chain in the way that sounds best to you. 🙂
Dear people at strymon; im a new customer, and have purchased a bigsky, timeline, and mobius.
I also have analog heat (elektron) for distortion/saturation.
what would the best order be? (I use the signal chain for synths / guitar mainly)
many people use the heat on the master (at the end of the chain), but if i read this i would say:
1 Analog heat
What would you recommend?
@Oscar Brouwer – Yes, the signal chain of Analog Heat – Mobius – TimeLine – BigSky would be my recommendation as well. There is no wrong way here, but this would give you commonly used signal chain for these effects.
For Flint users perplexed by the fact that not a single example in this post called for reverb => tremolo: consider that the inspiration for the Flint was vintage amp designs of the 60s where the tremolo effect operated on the power amp section, so was post-reverb tank. That’s the classic, seasick-surfer sound we’re all familiar with, but it can be a bit overbearing in some situations. Hence, the typical, modern examples in this post: all will result in a milder, more subtle effect because the tremolo isn’t chopping up the reverb tail like vintage amps did.
Also note that you can swap the effect order in the Flint with the secondary function of the Decay control. From the manual:
“Effect Order acts as a two-position switch to determine the order of the tremolo and reverb effects. Change the order without re-wiring your pedal board.
Turn to the left side for reverb » trem (like most vintage amps), or to the right side for trem » reverb (for capturing the vibe of your tremolo amp played in a concert
hall, or with added post-production verb).”
But, as always … if it SOUNDS right, it IS right.
Hi, great comments in this blog!
I find the Deco modulation effects to be much better within the amp effect loop but unfortunately the saturation gets degraded.
Idem with the Flint: the reverb is a killer within the amp Fx loop but the tremolo sounds better before..
As anyone got any suggestions or insight?
I know it all comes down to a matter of preference!
@Arno – As there is no way to have them in both locations at once (without buying 2 of each), I recommend just testing both out and using what works best for you. Also, for Deco, if you have it in the effects loop, we recommend setting it to STUDIO mode which provides more headroom for the Tape Saturation.
Thanks for the clarifications and charts… helping to solve the ongoing puzzle of signal path…. coming up from the 60’s ther was not much to choose from… now “sky’s the limiter”….well done!
Man!! Best info and diagrams ever!
Can you please tell me how to best set up these pedals in the chain. I seem to get alot of noise/feedback.
Pedals=I tube screamer, ns-2 suppressor, earthquaker , pitchfork , cry baby, exp pedal and oceans11. What should/shouldnt run through effects loop?
Hey Chris! Not sure what your Earthquaker pedal is, so not sure where that might be placed.
I’d try Crybaby -> Pitchfork -> Tube Screamer -> NS-2 -> Oceans 11.
Most commonly time based effects like reverb, delay, and modulation are placed in your effects loop, so I’d place your Oceans 11 there.
There are a lot of reasons you could be experiencing noise. The easiest and first thing I’d to is to simplify your signal path to just guitar -> amp, and then add one pedal back at a time to the signal path and see where you start experiencing noise. This will provide you with some information as to what the noise might be:
Help please I know nothing about pedals .. just started to build a pedal board with these new pedals that I have purchased fuzz, distortion, overdrive, chorus, tuner and a boss ps 5 super shifter I bought years ago but never used it or any other pedal before .. I know there is a difference between the 3 pedals listed so best order please .. thanks in advance regards Antz
Hello! Typically, fuzzes are used first. When it comes to different types of overdrives, it depends on if you are going to be using multiple drives at a time. If you don’t plan on that, the placing doesn’t really matter. If you plan on using multiple drives at once, then you need to organize them based on which pedals you want to push other pedals. For example, if you want a lighter overdrive to serve as a push for a more medium overdrive.
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Thanks for sharing such clear explanations and these helpful diagrams!
Hi – I have quite a few pedals so I’ve just ordered a buffer to help with signal loss (Empress Buffer Plus). My fuzz pedals appear about half way through my signal chain (see below). I know it is not advisable to put a buffer before a fuzz, but this means I have to put it 5 pedals into the chain, so I’m concerned it will lose some of its effectiveness. Any ideas?
My chain is: compressor -> sub n up -> wah-> MXR 108 fuzz -> green Russian clone -> JHS Bonsai-> Mojo Mojo overdrive->Chorus->depth flanger->delay-> tremolo->reverb-> looper
I’d experiment with putting it both after your fuzzes as well as first thing in the signal path to see which works better! You can also place it right at the very end so that it buffers after all your cabling from the pedals before going to your amp. Feel free to email us at [email protected] if you have more questions 🙂
Sorry to be a bummer but thats not true…
I do gigs and play for years with and infront of people and my dirts are at the end and the modulates are at the begining…
And this way it works the best, just saying…